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#31: Dr. Carrie Wilkens – Beyond Addiction - Recovery Health Care

#31: Dr. Carrie Wilkens – Beyond Addiction

By February 13, 2014Podcast, Sober Conversations



Dr. Carrie Wilkens of The Center for Motivation and Change Joins Sober Conversations

Dr. Carrie Wilkens of The Center for Motivation and Change Joins Sober Conversations

Today’s conversation is with Carrie Wilkens, Ph.D., who is co-founder and clinical director of CMC, The Center for Motivation and Change in New York City. Dr. Wilkens is a dedicated practitioner and researcher of the most effective treatments for substance use problems and compulsive behaviors. Her expertise is regularly sought by the CBS Early Show; Fox News; Newsweek; O, The Oprah Magazine; and Psychology Today.

Together with Jeffrey Foote, Ph.D. and Nicole Kosanke, Ph.D., Dr. Wilkens is the co-author of Beyond Addiction – How Science and Kindness Can Help People Change. She has collaborated with Dr. Foote in a number of clinical and research settings. Her most recent work as Project Director for The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University (CASA) was on a federal grant examining the effectiveness of motivational interventions for college binge drinking. In her work on the project, Dr. Wilkens gained extensive experience working with young adults and is well-versed in the developmental and environmentally specific factors that need to be addressed with this population. Previously, Dr. Wilkens was the Clinical Coordinator for Evaluation Services at the Smithers Addiction Treatment and Research Center in NYC. Dr. Wilkens specializes in motivational treatments and group psychotherapy, and has worked with traumatized populations in both individual and group modalities.

Join us as Dr. Wilkens discusses her team’s, “revolution in addiction treatment based on evidence and a new model for change.” For more information go to

Dr. Herby Bell is a Recovery and Wellness Coach and owner of Recovery Health Care, an integrated approach to wellness and addiction recovery in Saratoga, California. For more information please call 650 474 9411 or Email:  Connect with me online too:  Facebook | Twitter | Linkedin

Join the discussion 10 Comments

  • Hi Herby,

    This is a great interview with Dr. Wilkens! You ask the important questions and she explains CRAFT in such an user friendly way. Today, I believe the book is out, so I’m looking forward to reading it!! Take care and thanks so much for sharing this interview.

    • HerbyBell says:


      SPECIAL thanks to you for introducing me to the Center for Motivation and Change team. I have yet to meet and interview a more knowledgeable, dedicated and genuinely motivated doctor, than Dr. Carrie Wilkens. I’d also like to mention to readers that you, Cathy Taughinbaugh, are a CRAFT certified Recovery Coach and are helping people with this truly effective and scientifically compassionate work. I’m deeply appreciative.
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  • Whoo!!!! I love it. What strikes me is that this group is finally introducing positivity instead of shame in order to try to motivate people, something we have all long known works, but it hasn’t infiltrated the treatment industry until now! It sounds like also what they are effectively adding is what I would actually call coaching, and that is talking about what people would they like their lives to be as a motivator (that’s what coaches help people with among a lot of other things), so that they are more willing and motivated to leave the life they currently have. I know they have evidence to prove that it works, but it is also just common sense!! Thanks Herby, this is a great one…. cheers.

    • HerbyBell says:


      Wonderfully put…to give people a larger menu of choices really makes the brain and heart hum, especially when done in such a compassionate and kind way. I loved what Dr. Wilkens said about the science of kindness and as you say, Leslie, common sense is not so common. Thank you for taking the time to listen and for being one of those exemplary coaches. And here’s to moving beyond addiction.
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  • This is amazing information for anyone touched by the disease of addiction – thank you both for this interview. I love Dr. Wilkens and CMC’s approach and have read parts of their new book, “Beyond Addiction.” Anyone wanting to understand the disease and the approach that works to treat the disease or to reduce one’s use will find this hugely helpful. And for family members, especially, their new book is a must-read.

    • HerbyBell says:

      Thank you, Lisa and I agree with your assessments, categorically. It feels as if CMC is a hub of some emerging sanity on the subject and fertile grounds for good things to come.

  • I like this, Herby. I like it a lot. It’s creative, fresh – and kind. And the inclusion of “impulsive behaviors” interests me. Once again we hear about CRAFT. And it’s so important because it goes beyond helping the addict to helping the loved one(s). Spent a good bit of time on CMC website/blog. Worth the time. As always, man, great learning and resource info. Thank you…
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    • HerbyBell says:

      I like it too, Bill. I think I was most impressed when Dr. Wilkens was explaining that CMC gets referrals from many places including from the more confrontive programs where people “failed.” She went on to say that, “This IS the work”, the learning to “fail well” where sustainable change can come about. So validating to know that pros like you are listening and thumb upping. Thanks for your kind comments.
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  • Jody Lamb says:

    Dr. Herby Bell! Thank you so much for the introduction to Dr. Wilkins and the work she and her team are doing at CMC. I’ve been learning more about the CRAFT approach recently and I know I feel I understand it well. Thank you!
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    • HerbyBell says:


      Thank you for the uplifting comments. What I know about your writings and work seems to align seamlessly with CRAFT and vice-versa. Thank you for listening!

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